Ex PC frustrated with Power Book G4

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  1. p_newman

    p_newman Thread Starter MacUser Mitglied

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    Hi there,

    I’m one of the many people who changed their pc for a macintosh. One year ago. I was curious. People said many wonderful things about the apple computers. Now, after 1 year working with it, I must give voice for my most profound disappointment.

    The so applauded integration between hard & software seems a hoax:
    • A cellphone cannot be syncronized with entourage,
    • the audio without an extra pair of boxes is an insult to everyone’s ears,
    • working with graphical programs such as photoshop or illustrator is nearly
    impossible, unless you have a second screen, to connect,
    • cds or dvds have the unpleasant tendency to remain trapped in the drive and you have to relaunch the computer to get them out,
    • mysterious calculations block any access during minutes and minutes, whith
    only one little program like“Word” open, eventually concluding with my favourite “the application has unexpecedly quit…!”
    • The rasterizing of an eps is about twenty times longer than with a pc,
    • All in all, the machine (power book) is so slow, compared to pc pace,
    • many for pc users so obvious commands are not accessible,
    • and even controlling the cursor makes me look like a mental case! Why the hell are apple cursors accellarating differently? I’ve tried several mouses!

    I wouldn’t be so upset if it wasn’t for the hundreds of failures. “The
    application has unexpectedly quit – ok”…say no more! I’m sure to have lost hours of work due to that unmotivated unexpected quitting!

    Another exasperating tragedy is the (inexisting) customer service here in spain. A couple of months ago I’ve lost the “d” on my keyboard. Something fell on it and the key went off. No problem, I thought. I went to the service center in Barcelona (where I live) and they tell me they’ll have to send the whole computer to Madrid. It would take “a couple of weeks” as they assure. A couple of weeks!!!! I’m supposed to live without a computer (rather important for my work) for a couple of weeks, only to pop in a stupid letter in my keyboard!!!

    After all, the guarantee has expired (it wouldn’t have been of any use anyway) and I’m about to throw this rather expensive powerbook against the wall! I’m sad for having believed the fairy tales, that are suggested by other people and apple's advertisements. I bought it, I thought changing into a better computer and now I feel betrayed, disappointed, deserted and ripped off!

    If I send this complaint, it is because I still hope that all this
    frustration is due to some stupid error in the configuration of the machine.
    Please help me. Please convince me that my powerbook is a good computer! I do not trust apple representatives here in the city. I have tried their help and all they tell me is to send the machine to Madrid for weeks. By the way, ALL these apple shops in Barcelona are closing on saturdays!!! How is one supposed to repair his machine, if your retailers and service centers never open up for working people?!)

    In hope for a response,

    PN
     
  2. pagodeiro

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    Hi there,

    you did not tell us the configuration of your powerbook, CPU speed, RAM, etc. and what applications you have installed any you are working with.
    What is you operating system version? Up to date? Do you use a 3rd party supplyer RAM that may be not fully compatible? Test it without additional RAM!

    I switched 2,5 years ago to "ony" a 800 MHz iMac and I am so satisfyed and happy with that machine, that I decided to order a small iBook for use during traveling.
    With the iMac I am working in Multimedia applications, MPEG2 rendering with iMovie/Quicktime while starting up other applications like MS Office or the safari browser for surfing int the internet at the same time, without causing any desaster. Photoshop runs very smoothly, too.

    Unexpected quits nearly never happend, and when happend, it turned out that they had been by a hardware problem (external firewire hd and iMovie).
    Perhaps it would be a good idea to re-install the operating system from scratch, to garantee a "clean" system. This is not a really hard job as it would be with a windows machine. After writing all personal data to CD, DVD or ext. discs, you re-install Mac OSX and soon after get ALL actualizations from the internet. Afterwards install external applications and re load your data.
    If still having problems after that process, and the hardware test is negative, I would recommend to ask a specialist form Apple to have a look.

    Mouse and track-pad behaviour you can tune exactly like you want in the system configuration (Apple menue).

    What is really a mess is cellular phone syncronization. iSync is supporting only few phones! Have a look at Tiger specs, now there will be more phones supported. For my Nokia 6230 I have found an external application.
     
  3. pdr2002

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    Sorry to hear, though I don't share your dissapointment. The PB I have is the best notebook I ever had! Before I had Toshiba's Thinkpads and the like but none comes close to my Powerbook. :cool:
    Well, tell this the phone manufacturas, like Siemens Nokia etc. That is there duty which they only fullfill for Windows and not for Mac. You cannot expect Apple to write stuff for MS. :rolleyes:
    I listen to itunes everyday without boxes, no worse than listen to normal radio. :rolleyes:
    The windows notebooks in this price category only have XGA resolution, so there it is even worse and they do not have the good Dual Screen support like the PB. :cool:
    Sorry, never had this problem, you must be doing something wrong.
    Do yourself a favor and get yourself enough memory. To work reasonable with a WindowsXP-machine you neet at least 512 MB too! :rolleyes:
    I have a Thinkpad with a 1.6 GH Cintrinio and sorry the speed is about the same, though the workflow on the Powerbook is much smoother one gets the impression that the PB is faster :cool:
    Sorry man, it's an apple so get used to it. It's not hard, really just try it. :D
     
  4. Kollar

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    The so applauded integration between hard & software seems a hoax:
    • A cellphone cannot be syncronized with entourage,

    well, as "mac user" you HAVE to check out "compatiblity" before buying things like cellphones. most stuff is designed to work with Windows, there are alot of compabibility lists, even from apple itsself. i dont know if theres an additional problem with entourage, but the "system" PIM- Apps work well with the most new phones. (see compatibility lists)


    • the audio without an extra pair of boxes is an insult to everyone’s ears,
    are you camparing

    You can't seriously compare notebook boxes with the ones connected to your pc. there could be better boxes in notebooks, sure. but there are millions, which are even worse.

    • working with graphical programs such as photoshop or illustrator is nearly
    impossible, unless you have a second screen, to connect,

    there are also notebooks with bigger screens or better resolution. the powerbook is available with an TFT of 17(!) inches. the widescreen- format allows panels to be placed well. so i can't agree. the "workspace" is good, especially for DTP.

    • cds or dvds have the unpleasant tendency to remain trapped in the drive and you have to relaunch the computer to get them out,

    never had this, sorry

    • mysterious calculations block any access during minutes and minutes, whith
    only one little program like“Word” open, eventually concluding with my favourite “the application has unexpecedly quit…!”

    this should be a problem of word. sure sometimes the "spinning beachball" appears. e.g. in combination with "lost servers" in LAN, so the "timeout" is too long. if the system is very busy, this beachball appears too. How many RAM do you use?


    • The rasterizing of an eps is about twenty times longer than with a pc,
    which CPU, which PB?

    • All in all, the machine (power book) is so slow, compared to pc pace,
    YOU can't compare a notebook to a normal PC, like you can't compare a powerbook to a powermac G5. the harddisk is much slower, the GPU is much slower, the bus-speed etc.


    • many for pc users so obvious commands are not accessible,
    many for apple users so obvious commands are not accessible in Windows, and great features like Exposé also ;). Mac was first, MS made things differently. So who is guilty?

    • and even controlling the cursor makes me look like a mental case! Why the hell are apple cursors accellarating differently? I’ve tried several mouses!

    because they are from apple. why do windows cursors? i have a logitech mouse and i am using the mousedriver for OSX. it works very well, acceleration is perfect. but there are also tools, which can increase the speed of mouse (USB- Overdrive)

    i think most of your problems can be solved with installing a new system, gettin more RAM. So please: tell us WHICH PB You are using, which OS Version and so on :)

    SURE, a modern Centrino Notebook from big names is very fast, a Powerbook is slower because of the bus speed and the "older" CPU. But you should get the performance back, with the great multitasking in OSX Panther.
     
  5. Junior-c

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    The user is the problem... :p

    MfG, juniorclub.
     
  6. PannaCotta

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    Well...it sounds like a TROLL....
     
  7. maxi.d.

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    Entourage is NOT an apple programme
    and its not apple´s fault if you have this problem with a 3rd publisher programme, which is made (btw.) - i think - by microsoft... ;)
    which phone are u using
    and so on...

    is it the problem of microsoft if there are games which dont work
    and that u have to download a lot of drivers before the game really works ?
    nobody would say "Hey, microsoft sucks, cause this game dont work!"

    or you want to use your driving-wheel and the game dont want to work with it: "Microsoft sucks, cause my wheel dont works with the game made by Electronic Arts!"

    You have deceided to buy hardware from a much more independent trademark. You should know that there are not all programms on both plattforms, that u have to use other alternative programmes, whisch are not the same but also sometimes better and you should know what u want to do with your computer and which other hardware should be compatible...

    Maybe u should try an other mail-programme :)

    which speakers are u using ?
    some people dont like the extra-speakers made by apple...
    some people love em
    but this is hardware u need not to use, or :) ?!

    if u have bought it u should have tried it first or you had to bring it back and buy other stuff...
    getting infos first would be also a good tipp

    btw. about which speakers are we talking
    maybe they arent made by apple ? :)

    or connect your computer with your home-stereo-equipment ;)

    that´s why nearly all designers worldwide are using apple-computers
    because photoshop and illustrator couldnt be well used with those hardware...

    heh ?
    dont understand this argumentation...

    which mac are u using
    is it a iBook 12" ?
    Do u think it would be better working on a windows notebook with 12"

    Do u really think its apple´s fault that u have bought a PB with a small screen, when u ll need a larger one ?!

    i ve never had this problem
    just put the cd-symbol into the trash-can
    or press "escape"
    if its not working then the cd is used by a programme
    quit the application before u throw out the cd

    normally when u insert a CD/DVD the programme which is using it will be launched... and using it
    u can tell your mac that he shouldnt open a prog automatically

    when are the calcualtions coming ?
    are you working on a tablet ?

    maybe u have done a lot of wrong stuff with your system ? :D
    u should install the OS again
    repair your Disk

    but sure
    you are right Word isnt really fast
    but its a microsoft-programme
    and in that case u cant argue against macintosh with that

    i ve not this problems
    and multitasking works great wit Mac OsX
    are u using Os9 ?

    you dont know how to work with your mac
    or u are using the wrong progs
    or u have an old mac and compare it with a new pc...
    and so on

    u really should give us more infos bout your problems :)

    the most commands on apple are very easy to learn
    and there are more than on pcs - i think

    which command is missing ?
    if u dont want to learn a new system
    and want to get the "old" windows
    why u dont switch back

    though u should be more open-minded before you switch back
    and u should read something bout your system
    and get help by answering real questions
    and not writing such polemic stuff :)

    u have strange problems *g*

    use the apple-mouse
    or if u really want to use a pc-mouse u maybe need a driver ;)

    have you ever thought about that its maybe your own fault that your system isnt working well ?
    i think u should install those programms again
    and/or install the progs and dont just "drag&drop" them...

    those problems are often because the programms are cracked versions and damaged progs u have downloaded or get somewhere else!
    buy the original stuff!!!
    and u wont get those problems

    mostly programms are quitting with that message cause of that...

    thats is really silly
    and i can understand u
    in that point..

    cant say it more often
    You have to learn to use your computer
    millions of apple-users dont have this problems


    there is surely a lot of wrong on your machine
    but how should the configuration give u a larger screen ?
    or show u how to use your mac in the right way ?
    ask much more specific questions ;)

    thats your country
    and the apple-stores in your area... ;)
    is it a real apple-store ?
    i think no
    there are working people which sell apple computers
    if they are not working hard to get their money
    its not the problem of apple
     
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  8. Kollar

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    und dein post? wenn nicht jemand apple in den himmel lobt, muss es doch kein troll sein. sry kann dieses "troll" nicht mehr hören, die leute die es am schnellsten schreien sind doch die schlimmsten ^^

    wenn man keine argumente hat, soll man es dann ganz lassen, und nicht dieses "troll"- geschwafel wieder und wieder zum selbstschutz ableiern ^^
     
  9. p-cord

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    hey, why are you writing in English on a german board?
    Not that it represented a problem for me, I just don't get it. I mean, there's a lot more mac user Forums in English than in German, so why are you picking this one?
    No offense in any way, but an explanation on this would prevent people to think of a troll, I assume…

    :)
     
  10. maxi.d.

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    i ve no problem with writing in english
    though i am not really good in it...

    why not...?!

    he or she knows that she/he is in a german forum
    and in that case she/he will also know that there wont be as many posts than in an english one...

    i would like to help her/him..
    but there are no questions :(
    and there is not enough info about his/her system
     
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